Olympic Lifting – Sheep Walking Again

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  • Vern Gambetta
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    Vern Gambetta on #13232

    Thefollowing is an excerpt from my book. In light of the sheep walkingphenomenon (Blindly following the flock)I observed at the NSCAConvention I thought this would be appropriate. Hope it makes you think. Inthe athlete development process the role of Olympic style weighttraining has occupied a large role. This has good and bad implications.Olympic style weight lifting is a training method tha

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    Nick Newman
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    Nick Newman on #67976

    On a simular topic, i just read an article writtin by Allyson Felix coach in high school and he was saying that olympic lifts should be only used for olympic lifters and not track athletes…Felix doesnt use them apparently and instead used dead lift and squat, this is also what bompa thinks, she dead lifted 300lbs when she weighed 123lb. pretty impressive.

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    mortac8 on #65707

    uh oh… more barry ross talk  :bigsmile:

    Mike Young
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    Mike Young on #65708

    On a simular topic, i just read an article writtin by Allyson Felix coach in high school and he was saying that olympic lifts should be only used for olympic lifters and not track athletes…Felix doesnt use them apparently and instead used dead lift and squat, this is also what bompa thinks, she dead lifted 300lbs when she weighed 123lb. pretty impressive.

    I read that article and quite frankly I thought it was ridiculous. First he says that OLs aren't worth using because they are sub-maximal for force output. That is wrong for a couple reasons. One, while the loads used for OLs are less than the power lifts, the force output is not. Force platform data easily verifies this. Force does not equal load moved. Force = Mass x acceleration. Also, forgetting this error, why would we even consider force alone as the biggest issue. What about power? What about impulse? The power output on OLs is 2-3x that of the power lifts. This is another fact well documented by research.

    By using this person's argument, the fastest people on the planet would be power lifters. In reality, they are often some of the slowest athletes in the animal kingdom.

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    utfootball4 on #65709

    uh oh… more barry ross talk  :bigsmile:

    i agree, i read 10 sentences and knew it was ross

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    mortac8 on #65710

    i agree, i read 10 sentences and knew it was ross

    either barry ross is vern gambetta or sentences are words

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    coachformerlyknownas on #65711

    My Gram (died at 92)
    She ate a balanced diet.
    I want to be like Gram.
    Particularly as Mrs CFKA tells me I have to see 108.

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    coachformerlyknownas on #65712

    …or you could do what Mike says.

    Mike Young
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    Mike Young on #65713

    My Gram (died at 92)
    She ate a balanced diet.
    I want to be like Gram.
    Particularly as Mrs CFKA tells me I have to see 108.

    Does this mean I shouldn't do only one exercise all the time using very little intensity or rep variation?

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    Mike Young
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    Mike Young on #65714

    I wanted to add that while I think this coaches rationale is completely bogus and not supported by fact, I am NOT saying that OLs have to be a part of a training program. In fact, while I find OLs to be very useful and they are an integral part of my training plans, I've increasingly found suitable alternatives when necessary.

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    utfootball4 on #65715

    I wanted to add that while I think this coaches rationale is completely bogus and not supported by fact, I am NOT saying that OLs have to be a part of a training program. In fact, while I find OLs to be very useful and they are an integral part of my training plans, I've increasingly found suitable alternatives when necessary.

    what are some of those alternatives besides jump squats?

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    rice773 on #65716

    med. ball throws! (heavy)

    Nick Newman
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    Nick Newman on #65717

    Jason Gardener who has always done OL's hasnt done them for this season preporation at all and he won euro indoors….however he ran 6.50, he PB i beleive is 6.45 or close to it….

    Mike Young
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    Mike Young on #65718

    what are some of those alternatives besides jump squats?

    I'll use a variety of jump squats with various loading setups, depths, and starting and / or landing and takeoff instructions. I'll also use various lunge and step-up exercises using the same parameters. I'll also use multi-throws and some good morning variants I picked up from some Olympic lifting training hall videos.

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    Mike Young
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    Mike Young on #65719

    Jason Gardener who has always done OL's hasnt done them for this season preporation at all and he won euro indoors….however he ran 6.50, he PB i beleive is 6.45 or close to it….

    To me, this says it wasn't OL that was holding him back.

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