Old Thread: Strength @ LSU

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    utfootball4 on #19313

    It depended on whether the athletes were strictly monitored. In Boo's group, he didn't micro-manage %s like I did and athletes tended to lift more as they felt. Those that had a good work ethic progressed very well as this type of setup can be a form of autoregulation on training loads. For example, if you just say 'lift heavy' athletes with a good work ethic will bust their butts in the weight room relative to what they have on a given day. My group was primarily women underclassmen and I felt more comfortable micromanaging the loads then leaving them to their own devices. I think most women tend to be too passive in the weight room, especially newbies. As a whole my group had significantly bigger strength gains but if you take out those who didn't push themselves from the upperclassmen group the gains would be about the same. One thing to note though is that Boo actually deemphasized strength development a little bit with the seniors…

    ok thanks mike because i have a triple jumper and i really want to work on incresing his strength numbers in the pc/sq/bp and as you know there are many diff ways to do that westside etc, i use the 3 strength days and 2 bb circuits last fall with a jumper and really didnt see much strength gains in numbers but at the sametime the %'s and other factors could have been better to allow the gains to take place.  i would like to try the 3 strength days and circuits this fall but be a little more aggressive with the %'s.

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    utfootball4 on #19314

    hey mike are the BB circuits a staple in Ur in season plan, i never done them so I'm wondering about the whole recovery aspect from the volume?

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    Mike Young on #19315

    Because of logistical and facility issues they are less a part than I would ideally like. We are able to do them once a week. Ideally I would use them 2-3 times per week. Right now, I replace the circuits with more general strength work, low intensity medball work, and even some low intensity jumps circuits. When I was using them heavily I actually found that after the initial 3-4 weeks of use that they facilitated recovery do to their effect on enhancing endocrine profile.

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    J Kilgore on #19316

    Mike,
    how about during outdoors?  still 2-3 times a week? and for both long and short sprinters?

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    utfootball4 on #19317

    Because of logistical and facility issues they are less a part than I would ideally like. We are able to do them once a week. Ideally I would use them 2-3 times per week. Right now, I replace the circuits with more general strength work, low intensity medball work, and even some low intensity jumps circuits. When I was using them heavily I actually found that after the initial 3-4 weeks of use that they facilitated recovery do to their effect on enhancing endocrine profile.

    thanks mike i was just making sure since i have never use them myself and usually high volume stuff really make my legs tired.

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    Mike Young on #19318

    Mike,
    how about during outdoors?  still 2-3 times a week? and for both long and short sprinters?

    During outdoors 0-2 times per week. No difference between long and short sprinters.

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    Mike Young on #19319

    thanks mike i was just making sure since i have never use them myself and usually high volume stuff really make my legs tired.

    It can, especially initially. It's important to introduce it early on so that you have moved past all potentially detrimental (but short-term) affects and have started to reap the positive affects by the competitive season. Also, don't try to push around big weights on the circuits. Some of my hyper-motivated athletes (one of whom is a member on this board) try to do this and it always leads to overtraining. In some ways, you almost need to just 'go through the motions.'

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    utfootball4 on #19320

    [quote author="utfootball4" date="1152815848"]
    thanks mike i was just making sure since i have never use them myself and usually high volume stuff really make my legs tired.

    It can, especially initially. It's important to introduce it early on so that you have moved past all potentially detrimental (but short-term) affects and have started to reap the positive affects by the competitive season. Also, don't try to push around big weights on the circuits. Some of my hyper-motivated athletes (one of whom is a member on this board) try to do this and it always leads to overtraining. In some ways, you almost need to just 'go through the motions.'
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    yes i totally agree i will start early fall and will use no more then 65lbs for movements like lunges and presses etc so by jan its just a recovery workout.  with the above jumpers program you posted above is this only jumpers or how the sprinters strength train also?

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    Mike Young on #19321

    The workout I posted above was what was done with the jumpers at LSU. The LSU sprinters do similar circuits in a very similar fashion.

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    utfootball4 on #19322

    The workout I posted above was what was done with the jumpers at LSU. The LSU sprinters do similar circuits in a very similar fashion.

    ok i was just curious bc i dont think Coach Henry use them at AM.

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    Mike Young on #19323

    Pat coached the men's sprints @ LSU; Shaver coached the women when Pat was there and now he coaches both. Pat didn't use as much strength work with his sprinters.

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    utfootball4 on #19324

    Pat coached the men's sprints @ LSU; Shaver coached the women when Pat was there and now he coaches both. Pat didn't use as much strength work with his sprinters.

    yeh i understand that, the last time i spoke to Vince Anderson he use a very similar method  with his short sprinters as lsu but without the bb circuits.

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    benny-the-jet-rodriguez on #19325

    https://stackmagazine.com/Content/Site012/Articles/05_01_2005/LouisianaStateJ_00000003645.pdf

    I was looking for some videos by Boo the other day and I came across this lifting template.  Mike, since you worked with him I was hoping you'd be able to answer a few questions about it for me. 

    During what phase would a week like this occur? 

    I assumed the Tuesday and Thursday bodybuilding workouts were, for lack of a better term, "tempo" lifting days.  Is that a good way to describe them and at what type of intensity should they be performed?  Are they done in circuit fashion or are both sets of each exercise done together? 

    Judging by the lifting Iâ??m assuming Monday, Wednesday, Friday are high intensity days (on the track) for this week.  Am I right?

    Thanks in advance

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    Mike Young on #19326

    During what phase would a week like this occur?

    That is pre-comp for sure.

    I assumed the Tuesday and Thursday bodybuilding workouts were, for lack of a better term, "tempo" lifting days.  Is that a good way to describe them and at what type of intensity should they be performed?

    Yes that would be an accurate description. 

    Are they done in circuit fashion or are both sets of each exercise done together? 

    That varies. Sometimes the exercises are done in sequence other times the sets are done in sequence.

    Judging by the lifting Iâ??m assuming Monday, Wednesday, Friday are high intensity days (on the track) for this week.  Am I right?

    Yes. You are correct.

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    benny-the-jet-rodriguez on #19327

    [quote author="Benny The Jet Rodriguez" date="1170729201"]
    During what phase would a week like this occur?

    That is pre-comp for sure.

    I assumed the Tuesday and Thursday bodybuilding workouts were, for lack of a better term, "tempo" lifting days.  Is that a good way to describe them and at what type of intensity should they be performed?

    Yes that would be an accurate description. 

    Are they done in circuit fashion or are both sets of each exercise done together? 

    That varies. Sometimes the exercises are done in sequence other times the sets are done in sequence.

    Judging by the lifting I’m assuming Monday, Wednesday, Friday are high intensity days (on the track) for this week.  Am I right?

    Yes. You are correct.
    [/quote]Awsome.  Thanks man.

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