LSU Jumping Program

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        flight05 on #9296

        ok i have to know what you guys are doing year round for your jumpers!!!

        LSU has 3 guys jumping over 52 feet!!

        lsu has to be doing something right year round with these guys..

        can u give me a template of a year round schedule for these jumpers and what aspects they focus on year round?
        i am extremely curious after reading about their jumeprs on the web..wow

        what do they do for…
        gpp
        spp
        pre comp
        comp
        post comp

        i guess i dont need to know their weight room stuff cause we have a thread designated for that…

        (i want to know the non-weight stuff)

        thanks mike..
        if this is not appropriate for the board u can email me or something i guess

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        flight05 on #28269

        how about what the non-weight circuits look like?

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        nickjump20 on #28270

        what is gpp
        spp all that stuff

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        QUIKAZHELL on #28271

        GPP-General Prep Phase
        SPP-Special Prep Phase

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        nickjump20 on #28272

        oh

      • Mike Young
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        Mike Young on #28273

        Sorry I missed this thread. I didn’t even know it existed. The jumper’s template is almost identical to Pfaff’s template (which was recently posted somewhere on the board). The details and technical training however are what separate the LSU jumps program from others.

        ELITETRACK Founder

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        Kebba Tolbert on #28274

        one of things about Boo is the way that uses “seemingly unsophisticated” means to teach basic and advanced concepts….

        e.g., anyone can do a multi-jump circuit or acceleration runs… but **how you do them** and **what you teach** when the athletes do them determines their overall effectiveness.

      • Mike Young
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        Mike Young on #28275

        Good point Kebba. I guess I’ve kind of taken it for granted having been around it for so long now. When I first got to LSU though that was one of the first things that stood out…..making and using very rudimentary exercises and drills as technique work and teaching tools for more specific and advanced skills.

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        ckovatch on #28276

        one of things about Boo is the way that uses "seemingly unsophisticated" means to teach basic and advanced concepts….

        e.g., anyone can do a multi-jump circuit or acceleration runs… but **how you do them** and **what you teach** when the athletes do them determines their overall effectiveness.

        I learned more about throwing each  t & f implement by working with a med ball  with Boo in daily college practice at UL Lafayette.  I also learned how similar every single field event is to one another.

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        antigravitydocg on #28277

        :dance:
        Boo knows "mechanics"………. if these are in sequence, the drills work. He takes bounding and makes it easier, less intense – not to baby an athlete, but to get that spinal alignment and avoid butt out posture. That simple thing will give you a much better perspective on a jumpers practice performance.

        So much is written about workouts, weights, ………….. I research it all myself and I find value in the materials. But, if you don't get the most basic principles down. It's all for S _ _ _! or should I say naught'

        Boo is a master; check out his series :flaming:

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        antigravitydocg on #28278

        :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :puzzled::
        Need help here; I'm a CSCS and Level II coach, but I am having difficulty convincing some of my throwers/jumpers that the "triple extension" / firing sequence of the the neuromuscular system is more important than the poundage when we apply this to our events.

        I've researched Dr. Mike Stone, Gambetta, much of the European system – any ideas out there so I can be a bit more convincing? I'm not against max strength, but I often don't see this crossing over in my testing ( VJ, SLJ, STJ, multi throws ).  I'm using a bit of complex training and will begin more plyo work nearing indoor season.

        I appreciate any feedback.  Mike Goss, Kennesaw State U. field events coach

      • Mike Young
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        Mike Young on #28279

        When strength qualities aren't expressed in jump performance general work is often lacking. Boo feels very strongly about this. When this is the case I'd back off the really intense weight work (>80%) and up the volume of lower intensity general strength, medball, and other work.

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        burkhalter on #28280

        When strength qualities aren't expressed in jump performance general work is often lacking. Boo feels very strongly about this. When this is the case I'd back off the really intense weight work (>80%) and up the volume of lower intensity general strength, medball, and other work.

        Mike,

        Do you/Boo feel this is the case regarding sprints as well?  Obviously there is a point of diminishing returns, but say you increase your weight numbers(bench, squat, clean, etc.) yet in your first 30m your times aren't dropping at all, do you think you can use the same criteria of reducing >80% loads and upping the volume of low int. gs, medball, etc.

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        Mike Young on #28281

        Mike,

        Do you/Boo feel this is the case regarding sprints as well?  Obviously there is a point of diminishing returns, but say you increase your weight numbers(bench, squat, clean, etc.) yet in your first 30m your times aren't dropping at all, do you think you can use the same criteria of reducing >80% loads and upcoming the volume of low int. gs, medball, etc.

        I'm primarily working with sprinters now and this is one of my favorite options…especially in-season.

        ELITETRACK Founder

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        burkhalter on #28282

        [quote author="LR1400" date="1188404230"]
        Mike,

        Do you/Boo feel this is the case regarding sprints as well?  Obviously there is a point of diminishing returns, but say you increase your weight numbers(bench, squat, clean, etc.) yet in your first 30m your times aren't dropping at all, do you think you can use the same criteria of reducing >80% loads and upcoming the volume of low int. gs, medball, etc.

        I'm primarily working with sprinters now and this is one of my favorite options…especially in-season.
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        I've also heard of others doing similar for athletes that end to gain weight even with low volume, high intensity weights. Reduce the volume of weights really low, increase the volume of explosive multi throws, as well increase volume of low intensity – gs circuits, medball circuits, etc.

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        Todd Lane on #28283

        Mike,

        Do you/Boo feel this is the case regarding sprints as well?  Obviously there is a point of diminishing returns, but say you increase your weight numbers(bench, squat, clean, etc.) yet in your first 30m your times aren't dropping at all, do you think you can use the same criteria of reducing >80% loads and upping the volume of low int. gs, medball, etc.

        Increases in weight numbers can also come at the expense of other strength qualities, especially the elastic qualities.

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        barto on #28284

        Strength is kind of like pornography; hard to define but you know it when you see it.  Functional strength is very difficult to quantify.  I pretty much stopped trying.  We evaluate strength more by the subjective quality of movement than numbers in the weight room.  The strongest athlete I ever coached threw over 17m in the shot and jumped over 7.70m in the LJ without walking in the weight room for over three years.

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        winnesota on #28285

        are you saying that jumpers are better off not lifting?

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        barto on #28286

        I'm saying that the majority of sub-elite performers would be better served by alternative strength training modalities that involve lower intensities and higher volumes.  Examples of these might be single leg iso-hops, uphill running w/ weight vest, in place jumps w/ weght vest, low walks, baby bounds, and various movements with sandbags.

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        winnesota on #28287

        While I agree about that as far as triple jump.  Do others agree that long jump is a different animal?  Wouldn't it, more likely than not, be better to lift weights for the long jump since the elastic demand is much lower? 

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        eroszag on #28288

        ISO hop?
        Could you explain?single leg hop with a hold ?

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        barto on #28289

        ISO hop?
        Could you explain?single leg hop with a hold ?

        Yes, over 15-20 cm hurdles.  Concentrate on landing full footed with the ankle dorsiflexed.

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        barto on #28290

        While I agree about that as far as triple jump.  Do others agree that long jump is a different animal?  Wouldn't it, more likely than not, be better to lift weights for the long jump since the elastic demand is much lower? 

        I would say the opposite.  "Traditional" weight training is probably more beneficial in the TJ than the LJ.

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        Chad Williams on #28291

        Strength is kind of like pornography; hard to define but you know it when you see it. 

        Quote of the day!!! hahahahaha

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        xelades on #28292

        Strength is kind of like pornography; hard to define but you know it when you see it.  Functional strength is very difficult to quantify.  I pretty much stopped trying.  We evaluate strength more by the subjective quality of movement than numbers in the weight room.  The strongest athlete I ever coached threw over 17m in the shot and jumped over 7.70m in the LJ without walking in the weight room for over three years.

        in another tread you speak about unilateral strenght routine as weighted pistols; can you give us a wider picture of your strenght training routine? I think that it's scientifically proved that heavy weights have an neural and endocrinal adaptation; if I understood correctly your statement you avoid weight training, so I wish know how do you give to your athlets this type of stimuli. I'm very interesting about your ideas, so I hope you could give a wide description of your methods.
        English isn't my mother language, so I hope you can understand what I wrote

      • Mike Young
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        Mike Young on #28293

        We should move this thread to the "Great Coaches: Todd Lane" forum.

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        barto on #28294

        We do not avoid lifting weights.  We avoid lifting weights until the athlete is ready to lift weights.  Until then we do a variety of lower intensity, higher volume strength training activities.  General Strength circuits are the main component of the lower intensity / higher volume type training.  Pistol squats are a part of these circuits.  Athletes progress from assisted pistol squats to unassisted to weighted as they develop.

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        Todd Lane on #28295

        We use to think you were smart Mike, you have now shown otherwise…….

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        coachformerlyknownas on #28296

        We use to think you were smart Mike, you have now shown otherwise…….

        "We do not avoid lifting weights.  We avoid lifting weights until the athlete is ready to lift weights."

        Todd, why are you questioning Mike B's intelligence?  Seems reasonable to me. :tumble:

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        barto on #68117

        I think Coach Lane was questioning Mike Young’s judgement – not mine.

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        Mike Young on #68123

        I think Coach Lane was questioning Mike Young’s judgement – not mine.

        Mike [Mike Bartolini aka Barto…for those who are confused], don’t mind CFKA….he’s far too smart and witty for all of us….perhaps even Todd Lane. CFKA knows exactly what was meant by Todd’s comment he was just being the ‘resident ranter’ that he is.

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        noload on #82119

        Comparing strong to sex is one of the best quotes I’ve ever heard. 😆

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