Barefoot Bro Science – More Lies and More Problems

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      • Carl Valle
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        Carl Valle on #18292

        Just train barefoot to reduce injuries? Should I squat barefoot or with ballet slippers? Does running in the grass in Jamaica help me break 10 seconds? Just wear a minimalist shoe and and muscles turn on and we are now getting awesome proprioception? A lot of promises but the truth is that barefoot training is very complicated. If you want to walk around and grow vegetables barefoot training may w

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        codeman9 on #116050

        From a high school coaching anecdotal perspective, I have seen the incidence of shin splint complaints drop significantly over the past 5 years since we have instituted warmup, drills, and warm down as barefoot. I usually have a group of 25 kids and before barefoot ~75% of them would complain about shin splints at some point; this year with a group of 35 kids, I have only 1 complaint so far. Coincidence? Perhaps. I definitely have noticed kids in my area coming to me as better athletes.

        From a personal perspective, I have been walking and jogging in my vibrams for the past 2 years and recently I have started doing short sprints in them. Can you comment on the difference between sprint spikes and vibrams (besides the obvious 1/4″ spikes)? Most sprint spikes don’t provide any padding or arch support yet we sprint in them all day long. Maybe I’m missing something.

        The Truth is simple. One needs to see a PT and DPM to get a good evaluation of the foot. I didn’t say orthotics or corrective exercise, I said evaluation. Hopefully the consultation is with someone who knows the sport, not just works with athletes.

        I don’t know of anyone in my area who can offer this type of service on a high school athlete’s budget, so not very practical for me, but I totally agree with the sentiment.

        I will share warnings and observations with barefoot training and minimalist shoes. Start slowly and just walk around for three months.

        Best advice here. You must start slowly. You must force your kids to start slowly.

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        Chad Williams on #116057

        I used them in warm ups as well. Did it help reduce the onset of shin splints? . . . maybe.

        I would give most of the credit to the fact that we did a balanced amount of lifting, running, general strength, and core work. All of which help the athlete carry themselves with better posture and improve mechanics.

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        docjohn on #116063

        DPM, PT, and………….oh I forgot feet are different in chiro anatomy labs. And biomechanics labs, and…….thanks.

      • Carl Valle
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        Carl Valle on #116064

        From a high school coaching anecdotal perspective, I have seen the incidence of shin splint complaints drop significantly over the past 5 years since we have instituted warmup, drills, and warm down as barefoot. I usually have a group of 25 kids and before barefoot ~75% of them would complain about shin splints at some point; this year with a group of 35 kids, I have only 1 complaint so far. Coincidence? Perhaps. I definitely have noticed kids in my area coming to me as better athletes.

        From a personal perspective, I have been walking and jogging in my vibrams for the past 2 years and recently I have started doing short sprints in them. Can you comment on the difference between sprint spikes and vibrams (besides the obvious 1/4″ spikes)? Most sprint spikes don’t provide any padding or arch support yet we sprint in them all day long. Maybe I’m missing something.

        [quote author="Carl Valle" date="1334168309"]
        The Truth is simple. One needs to see a PT and DPM to get a good evaluation of the foot. I didn’t say orthotics or corrective exercise, I said evaluation. Hopefully the consultation is with someone who knows the sport, not just works with athletes.

        I don’t know of anyone in my area who can offer this type of service on a high school athlete’s budget, so not very practical for me, but I totally agree with the sentiment.

        I will share warnings and observations with barefoot training and minimalist shoes. Start slowly and just walk around for three months.

        Best advice here. You must start slowly. You must force your kids to start slowly.[/quote]

        A few things. First let me say that many HS coaches (I was a former HS coach as well) bring in specialists by boosters. One member here has paid for team trips down to Orlando from Michigan off of fund raising so it can be done. Not easy and at least pick people’s brain for guidance that is general. I know it’s tough but don’t give up!

        Another aspect I see with shoes, like the magic luck socks is the power of belief and the respect one has to the foot strike on grass when one is barefoot. With a sneaker I see sloppy strikes, go barefoot and “pre firing routines”. I warm-down on grass barefoot when I can and like a low technology shoe to warm-up in. Is it the grass barefoot or the focus one is doing when they have accountability with nothing to rely on?

      • Carl Valle
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        Carl Valle on #116065

        DPM, PT, and………….oh I forgot feet are different in chiro anatomy labs. And biomechanics labs, and…….thanks.

        Note: You were included in an earlier post (see yesterday) but I updated the blog. No chiro hate!

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        cmjteale@hotmail.com on #115386

        I really struggled as a kid to wear shoes and boots for most team sports, it was a decade before shoes emerged that didnt feel like wearing high heels . So when hearing about all the barefoot/forefoot/minimalist talk i thought it could only be good.

        They bandy the barefoot keyword around with the intention of using transition shoes out there from vibrams to free, and i might be bundling negatives from a few different scenarios (speed your running, suface your running on, running barefoot or running in minimalist shoes) but im not sure what advantages these new shoes have in speed/performance/comfort, whats to stop you running forefoot in any shoes in the first place?

        As soon as anyone gets up to speed in say a pair of vibrams or frees and asks for more speed, arent they going to get thrown a pair of racing flats/spikes etc which have existed from the start anyway? those shoes dont necessarily force you onto your heel. Apart from running on nice lush grass who really wants to run barefoot on anything else, im sure these companies dont really want you to actually go out permanently barefoot, that would mean you wont be buying their shoes at all?

        Vibrams are also popular with hikers which doesnt make sense, maybe our ancestors RAN on forefoot barefoot, but im sure when it came to walking they were on the same big bad ugly heels weve got today?

        Edit – Maybe Nike will make a pair of gloves, so we can monkey bar under hurdles, becuase thats what our ancestors once did!

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